Thursday, May 20, 2010

Not So Bad Boys

It's a Theme Week! All this week I'm posting on matters of romance in young adult fiction. So sit back, invite your favorite fictional love interest, and enjoy! (Okay, look guys, I know Martin the Warrior is a mouse. But he's a freaking brave mouse! And when Rose got thrown against the wall and killed my poor sixth grade self bawled her eyes out! So you can just keep your hot boys to yourself. I'm gonna hang out here with my stalwart, brave little mouse warrior.)

There's a reason they say nice guys finish last. I'm not sure why that reason is in real life, but I can tell you why it is in fiction: It's a heck of a lot harder to make a nice guy interesting and compelling than a bad boy. Bad boys come complete with mystery and drama--it's part of the package (along with the leather jackets--must have the leather jackets, please!). But how do you make someone who is honest and kind and funny and, well, good read as hot as a bad boy?

I've seen several methods that work incredibly well. Take Melissa Marr's Wicked Lovely (which has one of my favorite titles of all time) and Lisa McMann's Wake. Both of them feature love interests that could be seen as a bad boy. (In Wake, Cabel remains suspect for much of the novel.) They have piercings. Mysterious (and not always accurate) histories. A tendency toward not talking much (which, hey, instant-intrigue!). But what the books do is reveal to you that although Seth and Cabel might appear to be bad boys, they're actually a couple of the warmest, most loyal and thoughtful boyfriends I've read in the last couple of years. What these authors have done is taken the bad boy stereotype and used it to house Genuinely Good Guys. Genius.

Another way to make a good guy interesting is to travel the "I know he'd be good for me but I can't have him...yet" route. That way you can extol the virtues of the guy, but the fact that he's unattainable (best friend, dating someone else, co-workers, different school social class, so on and so forth) creates the drama and the tension that his actions and behavior don't necessarily provide. I love these ones. The giddy anticipation of WHEN. When will Awesome Guy and Adorable Girl finally be able to get together? How will it work out? Ah. Delicious. (Just wait until you read Stephanie Perkins' books--she is the master of romance. [I was going to say Mistress of Romance, but that makes it sound like she runs a brothel.] Trust me on this one. I'm literally giddy with anticipation over people getting to read her and her boys.) (In fact, once that happens, none of you will ever want to bring anyone else to these blog posts. It'll be a sea of Stephanie's characters.)

Finally, there's the Good Guy with Problems. Whatever is going on plot-wise, the circumstances of the story make dating him difficult--or downright dangerous. That way the drama isn't coming from the relationship and doesn't hinge on problems between the characters. Once again we can point to Hunger Games--Peeta and Gale are both basically good guys, and the drama comes from a) the triangle and b) the impossible situations they find themselves in. I find this type the most interesting when the story isn't about The Romance. The Romance can be a big part of the story, but I don't want the story to be simply a vehicle for getting Girl and Boy together. I want them to get together as a natural result of what happens in the story.)

I know I'm completely neglecting books written from a boy's point of view, but that's a horse of another color.

In the end, I think what contributes to a really compelling Good Guy is how the story unfolds. It's more difficult because you can't use inherent drama as a crutch, but going on that journey with the girl to get from here to there--there being him, of course--is what makes a good guy great.

(Of course, writing good guys makes sequels a pain in the...wrists. Because once you set up a happy ending in the first book, keeping things interesting in the second? Trickier than you'd think. Although, triangles would be an easy way out, and there is this really hot Weretiger named Jakov...)

(Kidding. Relationships in sequels is a whole new post that I'm not going to write because I'm too busy actually working on the sequel.)

Sound off in the comments: Who are your favorite Good Guy love interests? What made them compelling? And, if you read the Redwall series when you were younger, will you admit that you, too, crushed on the rodent heroes?

27 comments:

Kerrie said...

Nothing specific is coming to mind-Good guy or Bad boy. For me if a story is written well, I will get completely wrapped up in the main character and want her to find that perfect love. (but I must admit I have tendencies toward bad boys)

Kerrie said...

Nothing specific is coming to mind right now (not enough coffee yet). But if a story is written well, I get completely lost in the characters and want them to find their perfect love (good guy or bad boy). (I must admit though, there is something intriguing about a bad boy).

Claire Dawn said...

So I totally read the name of the weretiger with like a Polish accent and, let's just say, it's not pretty.

Lately I'm really into good guy with issues. He's actually my favorite guy in YA right now. :)

Marsha Sigman said...

I loved Cabel in the Wake series...but Jay in The Body Finder was awesome. I still think of him fondly. Oh, Jay.

Kristan said...

I was all, What's a weretiger?

... {{slow}}

Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a HUNGER GAMES love fest -- oh who am I kidding, YES I DO -- but yet another thing that I love about that triangle is that Katniss isn't choosing between a Bad Boy and a Good Guy. They're BOTH good guys. And that makes the choice even harder for her (and for us!). (But seriously: PEETA.) And it's a much better model for real life relationships (NOT that I think books need to be that... but it's nice when they are) to have a young girl interested in two such fine men, rather than two idiots or jerks.

Tally Youngblood in the UGLIES series actually had a similar problem, and again it worked well for me. Even now, looking back, I sometimes think, ZANE! No wait, DAVID! No wait, Zane... Or maybe David?

And I like that. I like that ambiguity, that ambivalence. I mean, not in real life, because that would make my life Drama Central, and I am SO not into that. But for fiction, it's fun. :)

lora96 said...

In the Lauren Willig books you have the Nice Guy who happens to be your brother's bff (Henrietta and Miles) which was nice and he is never anything but fine and upstanding.

In movies especially I gripe that Nice Guy gets dumped. Example: Adorable Keanu Reeves in Something's Gotta Give--um, why do we want chauvenistic, promiscuous Nicholson??? Ahh, because of the thrilling excitement of being treated like crap!

Nice guy Colonel Brandon in Sense and Sensibility--ya know, who'd want to be with a loyal, valient loser like that when you could be with Willoughby who is running around the countryside impregnating innocent teens?

I haven't been much of a bad boy fan since high school.

Also, have to give a shout out to Robert Jordan (whom I tend to despise despite having grudging respect due to untimely death) for creating Perrin, great Nice Guy character. The women still stink in those books and as far as I am concerned "bad boy" mc Rand going mad is not really a problem since he was annoying anyway...but that's a WHOLE. SEPARATE. RANT. :P

Jess said...

Seth and Cabel are some of my favorite good guys in fiction (I like their edge), but I'm also very fond of musical, eyelash-batting Joe Fontaine from THE SKY IS EVERYWHERE.

Abby Stevens said...

In Lauren Willig's PINK CARNATION series (which, hey, I'm giving a copy of the first book away on my blog), there are always good guys who have problems/good guys who appear to be bad guys, but the fun thing about her books is that they are usually told from alternating points of view, so we know the bad guy's not really a bad guy, and we know the girl thinks he's a bad guy, and the anticipation of figuring out how they'll get to the point of each knowing the truth about the other is what really propels the books forward (well, that and spies. Always, spies.)

Love this theme week. :)

Katelyn (twaddleoranything) said...

Daniel Goldberg in The Tiger In The Well. Passionate, driven, intelligent, and fiercely protective without being controlling. SWOON.

I second the love for this theme week!

Holly Dodson said...

Aprilynne Pike did a great job with the good-guy love interest in Wings and Spells.

Lale said...

I love, love, love Cabel. He's just AWESOME. :)
'The good guy you can't have' idea appeals to me much more than the 'good at heart bad boy'.
For some reason I like the mentor/student (not more than a 10 year age gap! :O) relationships that occasionally appear in literature-like Daine/Numair in the Wild Magic series (squee!) and more recently, Rose and Dimitri in VA.
Definitely wouldn't work for me in real life... but do in lit.
The thing with the bad-boy-with-a-heart-of-gold stereotype is that they tend to smoke, which just cuts the possibility of me liking them. I'd get a migraine just standing close enough to say hi.

Dara said...

Holly mentioned who I was going to--the good guy love interest in Wings and Spells was done well.

Debbie Barr said...

I totally love Peder in "Princess Academy" because he's just so sweet. Although that's more of a "crush" than a "romance."

Nick said...

I thought the whole reason Cabel and Seth were likeable was because they DID have problems. Cabel had plenty of communication and anger issues, but his conscience would eventually win out and the "good guy" came to work. I think good guys who have zero flaws are a little unbelievable.

Male main characters ARE a totally different horse. The historical fantasy/sci-fi dopey / "normal" guy who gets superpowers, or guns, or magic, to "level up" and become epic. Even more interesting, is the recent trend where boys would rather play dress-up in online games and in stories, and take the perspective of a girl who is hot, and has superpowers/guns/magic and levels up and becomes epic. AND is hot. Plus, girls could read the book too, and feel epic and hot (I guess?).

Sara B. Larson said...

I've loved all your posts this week. Why can't there be more nice guys that are still hot in YA? I've tried to make mine more along that lines - still hot, and still mysterious, but not in a "I might want to kill you but I want to kiss you, too" kind of way. ;-) Knowing you feel this way about nice guys makes me even that much more excited to read your book!

maybe genius said...

I didn't crush on a mouse, but I did have kind of a thing for one of the Ninja Turtles, so I will give you a fist bump of solidarity for anthropomorphic crushitude.

You hit the nail on the head about the nice guy - if he's sweet and perfect and ready to link himself to our heroine from the get-go, then there's no conflict! Creativity is definitely necessary in order to get a "good guy" to work, but it is totally possible.

I always liked Madeline L'Engle's leading men, myself - Calvin, Charles Wallace, the twins...

Stephanie Perkins said...

Debbie — Peder! YES! Razo is another favorite. I love Shannon Hale's boys.

SETH. *lusty sigh* There is nothing I do not love about that character.

I am so honored to be mentioned in THIS post. Thank you!! You know better than anyone about my "nice guy" struggle. (Boy Next Door, I love you, but ohmyword, you will be the end of me.)

Sarah Dessen, Meg Cabot, and Maureen Johnson write WONDERFUL nice guys. I have no doubt it's one of the reasons why I'm so passionate about their work.

Also . . . I'm happy someone mentioned Col. Brandon! Love him. And I feel compelled to mention my favorite Harry Potter character, so often overlooked for the sexier Sirius Black. Remus Lupin! I crushed so hard on Remus. He was the first person to be genuinely nice to Neville, not just because he *had* to be. That won my heart for life.

And as far as sequel pain? I have COMPLETE AND TOTAL CONFIDENCE that you will master this. You are too talented! It will happen. :)

Eileen Wiedbrauk said...

I cried so hard when the little girl-mouse died. I think I was sad about that for at least a year.

Stephanie Perkins said...

Wait. How did I miss the Martin the Warrior stuff at the top?? Cute! I had a thing for Reepicheep. :)

Sarah said...

Mistress of romance! So funny.

Anthony said...

Ann McCaffrey does good guy in a way us good guys appreciate.

One of my personal favorite Good Guys is Afra from the book Damia.

Now that I think about it, Afra was such a compelling good guy, she should have labeled the book title Afra.

Then there is Tiger from Tiger and Dell, and a slew of other fantasy romantic interests that don't suck.

In contemporary YA fiction, I turn back to Courtney Summers, but you already knew I was going to do that.

MissV said...

I'm a sucker for the Too-Good-To-Be-True good guy. You know, he's fabulously good looking, he's incredibly intelligent, he's a self-made gazillionaire, and all the girls want him. (swoon)

Kiersten White said...

MaybeGenius--I totally had a thing for Leonardo when I was in kindergarten.

Eileen--It was SO SAD, huh??

Loving your examples, guys. But I also think it's interesting that this one has much less discussion than the other posts...because good guys just aren't as juicy! Ha! Huh. Dang.

Zachary Grimm said...

Not sure if he qualifies as a Good Guy, Kiersten, but I rather enjoy Edward. You know, the vampire dude.

And I would TOTALLY and WILLINGLY drown in a sea of BOTH your characters and Steph's. Yeah, that's right. I haven't even read them yet, and already I'm willing to die. :-D

Madeleine said...

The only person I've ever truly fallen in love with in my life:

Gilbert Blythe

Wonderful kid. Wonderful teenager. Wonderful man.

That's him. He didn't have to be mysterious.

He just had to be wonderful.

Myrna Foster said...

I've read all of the Redwall series. Sigh. You're not the only one who cried for Martin when Rose died.

Have you ever read The Princess and the Goblin, by George MacDonald? You've got to love Curdie.

And Henry Tilney, in Northanger Abbey, was my favorite Austen fella.

Megs said...

Ah, Redwall. It still holds a prominent place in my heart and on my bookshelf. ;P

(Sorry, I'm a little behind in my comments...)